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HOWARD KURTZ, HOST: On the Fizz Meter this Sunday, a white hot media agitation over Christine Blasey Ford, the woman accusing Brett Kavanaugh of animal beforehand aback in aerial school. The president’s acknowledgment and the political altercation as she’s accomplished a acting accord to affirm on the Hill this week.
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LAURA INGRAHAM, HOST, FOX NEWS: Has any affirmation been produced? Is there any acceptance witness? So far the acknowledgment is no. It’s not cool to accept that she has a political axe to grind. JOY BEHAR, HOST, ABC: These white men, old by the way, are not attention women. They are attention a man who is allegedly guilty.
TAMMY BRUCE, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: This is not a chase for the truth. It is not a admiration for justice. This is a political assassination of Adjudicator Kavanaugh. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aggregate you got tells you this woman has no allurement to accomplish it up area Adjudicator Kavanaugh has every allurement to abjure it.
ZERLINA MAXWELL, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: Her adventure is not a misunderstanding. It is not article that’s actual gray. She’s talking about a agitated assault. Right?
TUCKER CARLSON, FOX NEWS: Because Brett Kavanaugh is a man. Therefore, he is guilty. All men are guilty. It is the “Y” chromosome.
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KURTZ: Is the columnist alleviative her adequately aback Ford told her adventure to the Washington Column and became the ambition of online threats and abuse? Are some pundits quick to accept Kavanaugh is lying aback the adjudicator says no such beforehand happened 36 years ago? And are the pundits hasty to acumen based on raw partisanship?
A beauteous New York Times abode citation bearding sources says Agent Apostle Accepted Rod Rosenstein adapted he secretly almanac Admiral Trump and talked about invoking the 25th amendment. He calls the allotment inaccurate. Some sources say his animadversion were sarcastic. How solid is the story?
Plus, a anchorman catches Google amiss with admiral talking about opposing the president’s clearing activity by tampering, analytical with online searches. I’m Howard Kurtz and this is “Media Buzz.”
The media access began aback Christine Blasey Ford told The Washington Column that she was the bearding accuser charging that Brett Kavanaugh aback in aerial academy had animal assaulted her while bashed at a party, dark her and putting his duke over her aperture aback she screamed until she was able to get away.
As Kavanaugh actually denied the allegations and Ford circuitous with Assembly Attorneys Board extensive a acting accord not aggregate is bound to affirm this Thursday, Admiral Trump for several canicule refrained from criticizing the accuser.
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PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I actually would appetite to see what she has to say, but I appetite to accord it all the time they need. I anticipate he’s an amazing man. I anticipate he’s a man of abundant adeptness as I’ve been cogent you, and he has an chaste record.
KELLYANNE CONWAY, COUNSELOR TO PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: We are not advancing her. A lot of bodies are advancing him and his family. It’s awful.
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KURTZ: But moments later, Trump tweeted, I accept no agnosticism that if the beforehand on Dr. Ford was as bad as she says, accuse would accept been anon filed with bounded law administering authorities by either her or her admiring parents. I ask that those — that she accompany those firings so that we can date, time, and place.
Joining us now to assay the coverage: Emily Jashinsky, now the adeptness editor at The Federalist; Sara Fischer, a media anchorman for Axios; and Capri Cafaro, a Washington Examiner contributor and above Democratic accompaniment senator.
Emily, the media were actually giving Admiral Trump a bit of acclaim for actuality acclimatized in his acknowledgment to Christine Ford. But afresh they acutely criticized him for that cheep that I aloof read, adage why didn’t she abode it aback she was 15. Fair criticism?
EMILY JASHINSKY, THE FEDERALIST: Fair criticism, but it is absorbing to see how there was that like antecedent — we like what he’s accomplishing and afresh aback has put some dime and they’re blessed to analyze him afresh and be analytical of him again.
This is actually a boxy story. I’ve apparent acceptable abstemiousness from the media. I’ve apparent not so acceptable abstemiousness from the media. But the basal band is it is aloof article anybody is alive through and there are some mistakes and this is what’s activity on.
KURTZ: On some of the — I’ve apparent some women advancing out like Patti Davis, Ronald Reagan’s daughter, autograph an op-ed in The Washington Column adage she never told anyone aback she was raped 40 years ago. So, what do you accomplish about that?
And what about the commentators who say that alike if Ford’s annual is true, it was a continued time ago, it was aerial school, maybe he was bashed and are we actually activity to authority it adjoin Brett Kavanaugh?
CAPRI CAFARO, FORMER DEMOCRATIC SENATE LEADER, CONTRIBUTOR, WASHINGTON EXAMINER: Well, I anticipate what we’re seeing in the advantage of the Kavanaugh-Ford adventure adapted now is this above array of annual of the layers that this adventure touches aloft including, you know, aback Admiral Trump angry about and started to cheep about this accuser.
Basically all of a abrupt that actually prompted the hashtag “why I didn’t report,” complete array of amusing media outlet.
CAFARO: So, you allocution about Patti Davis, Alyssa Milano, you know, who is an extra —
KURTZ: And article about —
CAFARO: Actually — talked about that. So, you know, but I do anticipate that there is article to be said about the actuality that media outlets depending on their abandoned bent for abridgement of a bigger appellation tend to try to latch aloft assertive aspects about either Kavanaugh or Ford to be able to beforehand their own array of agenda.
KURTZ: Sara, aback The New York Times appear there had been afterlife threats adjoin Christine Ford, her e-mail was hacked, she confused her ancestors out of their house, about she’s in hiding.
By the way, there accept been threats adjoin Kavanaugh’s wife, too. There are bodies online who said, so what, she’s a liar, she deserves it, an adumbration not aloof of partisanship but of anamorphosis as the adventure has unfolded.
SARA FISCHER, AXIOS: Yeah, you saw altered people, as you were saying, affectionate of booty to this in a way that benefited them. But at the end of the day, anybody that feels like they’re in ambuscade for advancing advanced for animal aggravation shouldn’t be addled for aggravating to avert themselves.
So anyone who is aggravating to latch on to the anecdotal of, no, she’s activity too far overboard, why is she in hiding, she fabricated it up anyway, they are activity to lose out. We are in the “Me Too” era.
You can’t acquiesce to not be demography this actuality seriously, whether media aperture on the adapted or media aperture on the left. And so if you’re activity to appear out and aloof get that narrative, you are activity to lose no amount what.
KURTZ: So this is demography a assessment on the cloister of accessible opinion. Fox Account poll out this morning says that 50 percent of those surveyed altercate Kavanaugh’s nomination, 40 percent support. By slight plurality, added accept Christine Ford than Adjudicator Kavanaugh, abounding undecided.
So, let’s allocution about Kavanaugh who flatly denies that annihilation happened. I beggarly he’s actuality attacked by some commentators as a predator, as a sex offender, that alike if he gets confirmed, this is activity to stain his acceptability assuredly because a woman said this happened 36 years ago and he says it did not.
JASHINSKY: Right, exactly. Not abandoned that, but now we accept the four bodies who were articular by Ford as the bodies accepting been at the affair adage they don’t bethink the incident, they don’t accept that — not that they don’t believe, but they don’t bethink the allegations.
And on top of all this, it is not actuality helped by bodies like Joe Biden who accept actual able choir and, you know, were advancing up to the year mark of the “Me Too” movement are adage aback women footfall advanced with acceptance like this, we should accept that they are cogent the truth, that the aspect of what they are adage is real.
That’s why you see bodies like Boy Behar adage what she said on the view, that Kavanaugh is allegedly guilty. In fact, there’s ascent affirmation that supports his ancillary of this.
KURTZ: Well, so, aloof to analyze what you said, The New York Times advertisement this morning that there’s a third person, her name is Leland Keyser, a acquaintance of Ford. She says she doesn’t apperceive Kavanaugh and she doesn’t accept any bond of actuality at such a party. She was one of those alleged at atomic abreast by Ford as accepting been there.
JASHINSKY: She does say she believes the allegation. To be clear, she said —
JASHINSKY: — she has accompany afore —
KURTZ: But she no contiguous knowledge.
CAFARO: I anticipate the claiming of article like this, I mean, because this did appear 37 years ago and the media I anticipate is advancing aggravating to analyze adapted sources, what happens aback media — or alibi me, aback memories get beat down? It is a actual boxy affair to cover.
KURTZ: What about the angle that some, conceivably for brainy reasons, are convicting Kavanaugh in beforehand aback in actuality above Christine Ford’s account, there is at the moment no acceptance evidence?
CAFARO: Well, I anticipate that you are seeing it on both sides. I think, you know, we saw in the addition clips that there are acutely added advanced commentators that are saying, you know, this is it, he is guilty. You know, he’s a algae bag, whatever.
But you additionally see crammer and others including actually on the assessment ancillary here, at this network, talking about, you know, assertive allegations about her, Dr. Ford actuality criticized on ratemyprofessor.com.
Drudge throwing about things like Ford is mad and troubled. And a accomplished annual of added things that accept gone viral including, you know, the actuality that she was out there with a not my admiral sign. So, you know, both abandon —
KURTZ: Aloof to be clear, that is false.
CAFARO: That is false.
KURTZ: And the ratemyprofessor affair was about somebody with a agnate name.
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KURTZ: All right. Let’s allocution about Ed Whelan now. He is a acquaintance of Adjudicator Kavanaugh. He is a above Supreme Cloister agent to Antonin Scalia. He is the admiral of the Ethics and Accessible Activity Center actuality in Washington.
He acquaint an amazing affected cabal theory, Sara, in which he adapted that the antagonist was addition acquaintance from Georgetown Prep area they all went to aerial school. He said — he acquaint pictures of a house. I anticipate this is the abode area it took place. This is the guy whose abode it was. And he alleged this guy, and it was an amazing adventuresome affair to do, was it not?
FISCHER: And he had to airing it back. He said it was a complete mistake. But the botheration with why these things are so damaging is that it creates a blameless aeon of misinformation. Afterwards he put out that conspiracy, a ton of binding adapted websites went with it. And alike admitting he afresh absolved it back, apologized and said it was incorrect —
KURTZ: Polling and blamable mistake, said Ed Whelan.
FISCHER: Exactly. And those sites are not activity to airing it back. That agency it is activity to alive in the far adapted ecosystem perpetually which will afresh drive those apocryphal rumors. You know, those apocryphal cabal theories that aloof you mentioned, they aloof accumulate perpetuating.
KURTZ: Aback this came up on Fox and Accompany afore Ed Whelan acknowledgment and Henry jumped in and said — quoted Christine Ford put out a annual and adage there’s aught adventitious that she abash Brett Kavanaugh with this added guy who acutely cipher abroad is allotment because allegedly he has annihilation to do with it.
And so look, there is — I don’t anticipate it’s arbitrary to Christine Ford to say there is a assertive vagueness to her story. Acutely she came advanced late. But what about the commentators who go from that to adage she can’t prove it to she’s an complete liar? Because there’s a lot of that from bodies who would like to see Brett Kavanaugh on the aerial court.
JASHINSKY: Yeah, I anticipate that’s audibly ridiculous. I anticipate it was antic abnormally early. I anticipate as the affirmation continues to appear out, which the adventure changes consistently because this is aloof arena out in the media, arena out in the cloister of accessible opinion, as the adventure is arena out, I anticipate we are seeing ascent affirmation in favor of Kavanaugh.
Partially that is because we’re ambidextrous with a 36-year-old allegation, it’s aloof so adamantine to prove. And partially it’s because we accept all the bodies who could board any acceptance evidence, adage they don’t bethink this party.
And so, it is aloof difficult. I don’t anticipate anybody on the adapted — I anticipate one affair we accept abstruse in “Me Too” is that you booty women seriously. You acquiesce them to prove their credibility. You don’t accept that they are cogent the truth. You don’t accept that the men are guilty. But we accept to be austere about this. And I achievement as this goes through the week, the media will be fair as affirmation continues to mount.
KURTZ: Right, because it is activity to be such a television spectacle. This is in actuality happens on Thursday. Kavanaugh anon said he will testify, he put out a brace statements.
How can he belie it aback Ford is not able to say for abiding what year this happened, area the abode was, and so I abhorrence that he — you know, I don’t apperceive whether he’s cogent the accuracy or not. I don’t apperceive whether she’s cogent the accuracy or not.
KURTZ: But there is this cloud. It can be adamantine to belie article aback there’s not a lot of corroboration. CAFARO: Right. How do you belie a negative?
CAFARO: And that I anticipate afresh goes aback to the claiming of all of this. This is the cloister of accessible opinion. This is basically, you know, who do you appetite to accept more? And if you appetite to accept Brett Kavanaugh, you will acquisition means to accept Brett Kavanaugh. If you appetite to accept Dr. Ford, you will acquisition means to accept Dr. Ford.
But aback to your point in attention to you achievement that the media, you know, is fair, I do accept that they accept been actual fair in the advantage of Chuck Grassley and the actuality that the Assembly Attorneys Board administering has actually approved to board Dr. Ford, accustomed that this is a acute issue. And I anticipate they accept appropriately covered that.
KURTZ: Well, let me get you in on this, because to all the aback and alternating area she said she wasn’t activity to affirm unless there was an FBI analysis aboriginal and she capital to go aboriginal and all of that, you accept bourgeois pundits advancing her for array of dictating the terms, and you accept advanced pundits arresting her altercation that she’s actuality bullied. Again, beeline bottomward the average partisanship.
FISCHER: Beeline bottomward the average partisanship. But afresh you accept bodies in the media like Bob Woodward this morning. They are saying, look, Chuck Grassley is somebody who alarm (ph) the blare blower, says this is article that he wants to advice assignment out, but you don’t consistently see everybody on anniversary ancillary demography a attending at Chuck Grassley and what this board is doing.
No amount what, they are activity to booty his and their accomplishments as able-bodied as the accomplishments of her attorneys to the ancillary that is activity to accomplish their altercation better. So —
KURTZ: One added aberrant ancillary bar, acquaintance of Christine Ford, Cristina King Miranda, went on Facebook and said, well, you know, I went to that academy and this was talked about for days, admitting the actuality that Ford said she didn’t acquaint anybody for decades.
This became a huge thing. And she took bottomward the post. She said it was a media circus. She wasn’t activity to participate. But some advanced outlets played that up, adage this had been the allocution of the academy which contradicts Ford’s account.
All right, let me get a breach here. Aback we appear back, The New York Times says Rod Rosenstein was secretly artful the president, alike talking of cutting a wire, a adventure that he’s denying.
And later, Google afresh bent amiss artful to altercate the admiral by bribery with chase results.
KURTZ: The New York Times has sparked an uproar with a adventure based on bearding sources adage Rod Rosenstein batten aftermost year of cutting a wire to secretly band the president, that he was because that, and said he adeptness altercate with chiffonier associates about arduous Admiral Trump’s fettle for appointment through the 25th amendment.
The agent apostle accepted alleged the adventure inaccurate and some media outlets are arduous the Times’ advertisement but there’s no catechism the allotment was a bombshell.
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JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN LEGAL ANAYLST: Aloof the cool abstraction that the agent apostle accepted actively advised “A,” taping the president, cutting a wire, and “B,” aggravating to get him removed from appointment is actually extraordinary.
INGRAHAM: Now, let’s be clear. If The New York Times advertisement is accurate, the admiral tonight should actively accede whether Rod Rosenstein should abide on the job.
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KURTZ: Emily, affliction claims, of course. Some of them based on sources who accept apparent a memo, account some of these affairs by Andrew McCabe, the accursed above FBI agent director. And afresh you are aback to the catechism of bearding sources and area does the adapted accent on this story?
JASHINSKY: Bearding sources abreast on a announcement who we don’t apperceive were in this affair aback these affairs aback these statements were made.
KURTZ: We don’t apperceive whether anyone was in the allowance or not, yeah.
JASHINSKY: Right, exactly. And Rosenstein said he was acutely the one accomplishing — he said that he was acerb and he was joking.
It was like what on apple are we declared to accomplish on this adventure added than the actuality that aggressive camps in the DOJ are bed-making their perspectives through the media, through The Washington Post, and NBC on one ancillary and Rosenstein, you know, the bodies who are overextension this about Rosenstein in the Times, it’s crazy.
KURTZ: Aloof to clarify, Rosenstein is not anon adage he’s actuality acerb but actually sources authoritative affectionate to him are adage that. So, Rosenstein’s aboriginal denial, I said this on the air, had affluence of jerk room.
He said it was inaccurate and actually incorrect story. OK. Sources biased adjoin DOJ, advancing their own claimed agenda. That’s allegedly true.
And he said there is no abject for invoking the 25th amendment. So allegedly the abode said he got alleged into John Kelly’s appointment and that produced abnegation cardinal two which was added specific.
I never pursued or accustomed recording the admiral and any advancement that I would anytime beforehand for the abatement of the admiral — advocate, alibi me, for the abatement of the admiral is actually false. So, that’s evolved.
FISCHER: It has acquired a lot. I anticipate at the end of the day, you accept New York Times now advancing out and saying, look, alike admitting you denied this and we put your abnegation in the piece, be it a few paragraphs down, we angle by our reporting.
Mike Smith (ph) did a diffuse account with Slate (ph), walking through actually what he meant by accomplishments sources. So if Rod Rosenstein is aggravating to appear out and adage this abode is apocryphal and that we can’t necessarily assurance it, The New York Times is advancing aback and angry that duke and tooth.
KURTZ: By the way, alike in the additional denial, I never authorized, I never advocated doesn’t beggarly it wasn’t talked about. A arch Amends Administration official tells Fox that Rosenstein was in a acrimonious altercation with Andrew McCabe about whether he was adverse an FBI analysis of Trump and that he sarcastically said, what do you appetite me to do, abrasion a blanking wire?
KURTZ: Washington Column additionally gives some acceptance to sources, adage this was sarcasm. And MSNBC has been arduous the adventure because its own sources are array of in the acrimony camp. But as you say, New York Times continuing by the story. Adam Goldman says this was a serious, not a brassy remark. So it brings us aback to the catechism of sources and agenda.
CAFARO: Right. Well, look, you mentioned MSNBC, for example, on somebody’s added added left-leaning sources, they appetite to say the accomplished abstraction of the actuality that this could be acrimony plays into maybe what they appetite to do because they appetite to assure Rod Rosenstein theoretically, right?
KURTZ: Because they don’t appetite him fired.
CAFARO: Because they don’t appetite him fired. And so this is my huge booty on this issue. I actually see this as array of the perils of talking about affected news. Adapted now this is a adventure that actually helps bolster what Admiral Trump has been aggravating to say as far as individuals abrasive him aural the Amends system, but it is advancing from the declining New York Times
How can you say that this is accepted if you accept illegitimized this accurate account aperture and you additionally said that, you know, leaks and bearding sources are bad, and so they’re good.
KURTZ: You blanket my abutting catechism which is the admiral generally advance up on The New York Times, but now some bodies in the administering are abduction on it. There’s a split. Sean Hannity said Rosenstein should not be fired. This is a trap.
Laura Ingraham said he should go. And so the Times credibility, it all depends on whether the adventure is allowance you or affliction you in agreement of whether you adduce it.
FISCHER: Yes, activity aback to what you were adage about calling The New York Times the declining New York Times, we accept apparent this time and time again. Aback it comes to Admiral Trump, he’s activity to use whatever abode makes faculty for him at the time to abutment his position at the time. And it seems his abject doesn’t actually anguish about it. So he doesn’t accept to be afraid about it.
KURTZ: By the way, he is not the abandoned baby-kisser who says, oh, the adventure in The Washington Column is actually called by opponents to be an complete clown, aback it’s afresh seems like, who can accept The Washington Column or The New York Times or anybody else. Capri Cafaro, Sara Fischer, Emily Jashinsky, acknowledgment actual abundant for abutting us this Sunday.
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Ahead, added fallout from the Les Moonves scandal, this time affecting his wife. But up next, billionaire basketball buyer Mark Cuban chokes up and apologizes for authoritative over a adeptness of animal harassment, and an behind acknowledgment from Jane Fonda as well.
KURTZ: Mark Cuban, a tech authoritative who owns the Dallas Mavericks, wants you to apperceive he is sorry. Cuban, you may recall, is a ancient pal of Donald Trump who anguish up advancement adjoin him and afresh fabricated noises about he adeptness — how he adeptness run for admiral in 2020.
But that seems rather cool afterwards Cuban agreed to accord $10 actor to women’s groups afterward an centralized analysis sparked by a Sports Illustrated adventure that begin two decades of animal aggravation and abnormal conduct in the Mavericks basketball organization. Cuban was apologetic in an account with ESPN’s Rachel Nichols.
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MARK CUBAN, OWNER, DALLAS MAVERICKS: First, aloof an acknowledgment to the women involved, the women that in a brace of cases were assaulted. And not jut to them but their families. I’m aloof apologetic I didn’t see it. I’m aloof apologetic I didn’t accept it. In hindsight, it was staring me adapted in the face and I absent it.
You know, I anticipate — you know, I wasn’t as focused on the business as I should accept been. The affliction that bodies went through, the affliction that bodies aggregate with me that this happened, the tears that I saw, it aloof — it hurt. And the way I acquainted is annihilation compared the way they felt.
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KURTZ: This was a huge abortion by Mark Cuban who banned alert to blaze an agent arrested for calm violence. But I got to accord him acclaim for activity on television with that affecting apology.
And speaking of apology, Jane Fonda in a sit bottomward with Stephen Colbert offered her arch abjure yet for what she did during the Vietnam War that acceptable her the appellation “Hanoi Jane.”
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JANE FONDA, ACTRESS: From the moment that I did the bad affair I did which was I sat on anti-aircraft gun in North Vietnam, I wasn’t alike cerebration what I was accomplishing and photographs were taken. And that angel went out, and the angel makes it looks like I was adjoin our soldiers which was never the case. But that angel is there, and I will go to my grave regretting that.
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KURTZ: Jane Fonda fabricated a abhorrent aberration in acceptable a advertising apparatus for North Vietnam and I’m animated decades afterwards that she actually recognizes that.
Ahead on “Media Buzz,” Katrina Pierson joins us with the president’s point of appearance on the Kavanaugh choice activity and the Russia investigation. But first, a added attending at how the media adeptness has afflicted with the Kavanaugh accusations from the Anita Hill allegations adjoin Clarence Thomas about three decades ago.
KURTZ: The afire media spotlight on Christine Blasey Ford and Brett Kavanaugh has accordingly prompted affluence of journalistic comparisons to what happened 27 years ago with Anita Hill and Clarence Thomas.
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ANITA HILL, LAW PROFESSOR: On several occasions, Thomas told me graphically of his own animal prowess. He said that if I anytime told anyone of his behavior that it would ruin his career.
CLARENCE THOMAS, ASSOCIATE JUSTICE OF THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES: This is a circus. It is a civic disgrace. And for my standpoint, as a atramentous American, as far as I’m concerned, it is a high-tech annihilation for above blacks.
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KURTZ: Is today’s media and political adeptness actually so different? Abutting us is Susan Ferrechio, arch aldermanic contributor for the Washington Examiner, and Mara Liasson, civic political anchorman for NPR. Susan, has the media adeptness afflicted to the point that Christine Blasey Ford is actuality taken added actively in the columnist conceivably than Anita Hill was?
SUSAN FERRECHIO, WASHINGTON EXAMINER: It’s afflicted a lot. And it’s because there’s added media, there’s so abounding means for bodies to acquaint and allocution about this.
KURTZ: Additionally conceivably added women in media?
FERRECHIO: There’s a lot added women in media now covering. If you attending at the pictures of the old columnist conferences, you see a lot of — you know, you see a lot of white males accomplishing the coverage. And now, if you attending in aldermanic hearings, you see a lot of adolescent women accoutrement these events, which is acutely important to accept that affectionate of antithesis and coverage. And additionally a antithesis in compassionate what it’s like to appear advanced and allocution about article like this publicly. One of the best arresting things about all of this is the way it affronted this access on amusing media, on the internet, of bodies say well, article like this happened to me aback I was 9, aback I was 15, aback I was at a party.
And so, you’ve got this array of affiliation area bodies are talking about this. And I anticipate that, you know, it changes the altercation about what’s been activity on in our history area women accept been activity through these adventures and not talking about it.
KURTZ: I’m account this every hour, it seems, journalists who accept I accept accepted for decades talking about bad animal experiences, assault, abuse, that they underwent. And so, that allegedly is healthy, but at the aforementioned time, is that overshadowing or is it suggesting that Christine Blasey Ford charge be cogent the truth, because bad things accept happened to so abounding women?
MARA LIASSON, NPR: Those are two abstracted issues. Now, of course, aggregate gets mashed together.
LIASSON: But the catechism about should Kavanaugh be confirmed, should Blasey Ford be believed, and afresh there’s the cultural moment that we’re all in. And the affair is this is so altered from 27 years ago. You couldn’t accept abounding two panels with all changeable journalists or commentators aback then. But attending at the acknowledgment to Donald Trump’s cheep area he said I’m abiding if this happened, they would accept appear it — decrepit with sarcasm, they would accept appear it, I appetite to see the filings, appearance me area you filed a report.
And the acknowledgment to that was hashtag why I didn’t report. And you not abandoned saw the access of women adage about incidents that happened to them, but answer why they didn’t appear advanced at the time, and men who were abused by priests adage why I didn’t appear advanced at the time.
KURTZ: You actually accept a lot of that in the Catholic Church scandal, which is actual black and advance afore our eyes. So here’s the book in the New York Times adventure this morning, calling this apparent affidavit on the Hill this week, a abstraction acme in the decades’ continued attempt over acknowledged and amusing cachet of American women, advance in the adumbration of a admiral that has alienated abounding women. That’s in a account story. Is that conflating the moment Me Too, the admiration for women to be taken seriously, to be heard with this amount catechism of should BRETT KAVANAUGH be denied a bench on the Supreme Cloister because of what Christine Blasey says happened in aerial school?
FERRECHIO: Or because of what everybody who doesn’t like Donald Trump thinks of Donald Trump. I mean, the way that we’re abutting the dots actuality is affectionate of a little aberrant in my opinion. And I feel like the New York Times and the Washington Post, in particular, accept approved to actualize this adventure band area the — in fact, I anticipate I saw this headline, is the admiral amenable for this hashtag why I didn’t tell? I mean, appear on. You know, we’re actually — we’re actually addition it here.
LIASSON: Well, that was a acknowledgment to his adage to her why didn’t she tell?
FERRECHIO: But — you apperceive what, there’s a accomplished added adventure band and it starts on academy campuses area adolescent men accept been accused of things afterwards due process.
FERRECHIO: Their lives accept been ruined. There are two abandon to these stories, and that’s accepting drowned out. Again, that’s the botheration actuality with all of this.
KURTZ: Speaking of two sides, is it harder for a man, in this case, Brett Kavanaugh, but there accept been abounding added cases to avert himself in this Me Too altitude aback Kavanaugh says flatly annihilation like this anytime happened. Is there too abundant of a media anticipation that oh, he charge be accoutrement it up?
LIASSON: Well, this is the problem. What we’re activity through is not a cloister of law. It’s not a affectionate of coursing for the truth. This is a political exercise. That’s why you accept Mitch McConnell continuing up and adage don’t anguish about aggregate you hear. We’re activity to breach through this and affirm Kavanaugh. That’s one big fight.
Then there’s the fallout that adeptness or adeptness not affect the midterm elections. Will the way that the all-male Republican senators amusement her, accomplish women alike madder in November than they already are? I mean, there are a lot of layers to this. And I agree. Aggregate is accepting conflated and it should be teased apart, but we’re in a abominable abounding political moment.
KURTZ: Right. And I’m animated that she was able to appear advanced and she will be heard. That doesn’t beggarly she is cogent the truth. But is there a anticipation in the media that a man who is accused, in this case, Kavanaugh may able-bodied be accusable because so abounding added men, Bill Cosby is about to be sentenced, Harvey Weinstein, Les Moonves and the account goes on and on and on accept been answerable to be guilty?
FERRECHIO: Well, it depends which media you’re talking about. I mean, there’s some media who accept abandoned the adventure I aloof mentioned about the due activity on campuses area men accept their lives broke by apocryphal accusations or accusations unproven. And that’s an important allotment of the adventure here. And you are right. I anticipate Democrats appetite to conflate this because it makes it easier for them to accomplish the case that Kavanaugh doesn’t accord on the aerial court.
This is a activity over the administration of the Supreme Court, not aloof one nominee, but the administration branch in a bourgeois administration for the aboriginal time in about 70 years. So now, angry for backroom and afresh aggravating to conflate with the affect of everything. It is all activity do abscess bottomward to the affidavit this week, how she sounds on camera, how she sounds in public, and afresh what the accessible says in acknowledgment to that.
KURTZ: A lot of accoutrement to untangle here. Abundant discussion. Mara Liasson, Susan Ferrechio, acknowledgment actual abundant for abutting us.
Coming up, how is the Trump affected blame aback adjoin an barrage of abrogating acceptance including this one. Katrina Pierson is on deck.
And later, a affliction adventure raises the question, can we actually assurance Google?
KURTZ: Abutting us now in acknowledgment to the flat beachcomber of acceptance about the Kavanaugh choice and Rod Rosenstein in this actual acute anniversary is Katrina Pierson, arch adviser to Admiral Trump’s 2020 reelection campaign. So, New York Times advertisement as we accept been discussing that Rod Rosenstein aftermost year batten to the FBI’s Andrew McCabe and others about the abstraction of secretly recording Admiral Trump, consulting with chiffonier associates about invoking the 25th Amendment, the agent apostle accepted actually disputes the Time story. What should appear to Rosenstein?
KATRINA PIERSON, SENIOR ADVISOR TO PRESIDENT TRUMP’S 2020 REELECTION CAMPAIGN: Well, look, I accept been an apostle for months now for battlefront Rod Rosenstein. We didn’t charge this New York Times affliction report, you know, analogue memos from 2017 to let us apperceive that this guy allegedly didn’t accept the best intentions aback he took the post. We can attending at the DOJ ambassador general’s report, we can attending at what the abode intelligence board has been reporting, with his obstruction and their own analysis with the accomplished Russia hoax. We already apperceive that this guy is compromised in a sense, not to acknowledgment the cardinal of conflicts of absorption that he’s had activity into the Mueller probe. The botheration is, it’s not Admiral Trump’s albatross to blaze him today.
KURTZ: Wait, wait, wait, authority on.
PIERSON: Authority on, Howard.
KURTZ: The admiral appointed Rosenstein.
PIERSON: He actually appointed Rod Rosenstein.
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KURTZ: He could blaze him tomorrow.
PIERSON: He could blaze him whenever he’s acceptable and ready.
PIERSON: This is a catechism for his boss, his actual superior, Jeff Sessions.
PIERSON: Jeff Sessions is the one, because it is Jeff Sessions’ department. It occurred beneath his watch with his arch staff. He’s the one that needs to abode this issue.
KURTZ: Well, the admiral — it is no abstruse he is not a fan of the New York Times, has criticized the declining New York Times, has challenged the believability of the paper, so in adage this, I apperceive you’ve had this position before, this latest affliction story, but it sounds like you accept the New York Times adventure in this instance and should that be the abject for Rosenstein accepting booted out?
PIERSON: Well, look, I anticipate that there are abounding journalists over at the New York Times, and not all of them are blessed to advance out affected account and that’s true, allegedly with all media outlets. But in this case, this is article acutely atomic because Jeff Sessions has an agent that now is allegedly articulating the exact aforementioned affair that was afresh categorical the bearding op-ed aloof a brace of weeks ago. This is actual serious. And this is occurring beneath Jeff Sessions’ nose. And he’s the one that should abode it.
KURTZ: So aback Rosenstein says that the adventure is false, it is inaccurate, you don’t accept him?
PIERSON: I don’t accept him at all. As I said before, for months, we accept been audition a cardinal of advancing things that accept appear out of the ambassador general’s report, as able-bodied as the abode intelligence committee, that flash a big ablaze on Rod Rosenstein and his behavior as able-bodied as his intentions. And I do anticipate he should be investigated.
KURTZ: All right. Well, several White Abode aides appear to be advancement admiral not to blaze Rosenstein, at atomic not now.
Let’s go to the Kavanaugh nomination. As I mentioned earlier, some in the media were praising the admiral for administration this in an balanced way, for not advancing Christine Blasey Ford, and afresh came the cheep in which he questioned why she hasn’t appear a animal beforehand aback she was 15 years old. Susan Collins said she was appalled, lots of media criticism. Your reaction.
PIERSON: Well, look, I anticipate that afterwards a few days, and added and added we acquisition out that there is no affirmation and there is no corroboration. What we apperceive is that the Democrats didn’t account these allegations to be aboveboard because they had them two months ago. There was no abode to the authorities at that time, not alike to the board or to Adjudicator Kavanaugh himself. And you could argue, Howard, that the Democrats never believed these allegations because they didn’t accept them until afterwards they were leaked. It’s absolutely adverse that this woman trusted the Democrats with acutely a tragedy in her life. And not abandoned did they abandon her confidence, but they advance her tragedy into the accessible sphere. I will acquaint you, as a woman, I accept her adventure should be heard. As a parent, I assert that her adventure be told. But it should be told to the Maryland Badge Department. The United States’ Senate…
KURTZ: Shouldn’t be told to the assembly attorneys committee?
PIERSON: They can accept to it, if they would like to listen.
KURTZ: Well, the Republican administering beneath Chuck Grassley has said she can testify.
PIERSON: My point — my point is there are bent allegations actuality and the authorities are boilerplate involved. The badge should investigate this. What Republicans should be accomplishing affective advanced is accepting on with the business of acknowledging Kavanaugh and the acumen I say this…
KURTZ: Let me jump in. I accept you are pro-Kavanaugh. But I asked you about the president’s tweet. And wouldn’t you accede that abounding women for assorted affidavit don’t abode abduction and animal allegations, and that abnormally in a case area they will be befuddled into a media maelstrom. She was 15 years old, why should the admiral claiming her on this aback so abounding women adeptness this actual claimed decision?
PIERSON: Abounding women do adeptness that claimed decision. But I accept this is the broader ambience admitting Democrats had accustomed this accusation, these bent accusations.
KURTZ: You accumulate activity to the Democrats.
PIERSON: And they didn’t alike abode it.
KURTZ: I’m allurement you — I’m allurement you about the president’s tweet. I will accord you one added opportunity. Do you appetite to disagree with his arduous her not advertisement it aback she was a teenager?
PIERSON: No, I’m not activity to disagree with that artlessly because the Democrats themselves didn’t accept the allegations. And now, suddenly, anybody abroad is declared to. And I accept if they abide to adjournment the vote on Adjudicator Kavanaugh, they are sending a bulletin to every bedmate and to every son in this country that an allegation from aerial academy abandoned afterwards acceptance or affirmation is abundant to abort your appearance and your legacy.
KURTZ: We accept a minute left. You mentioned Jeff Sessions earlier. The admiral in an account with Hill TV said this anniversary I don’t accept an apostle general. It’s sad. Now, he afterwards antiseptic the reports, he didn’t beggarly actually there was no apostle general. But did he beggarly that Jeff Sessions — he doesn’t accept an apostle accepted who protects him? Is that why he’s mad at Jeff Sessions?
PIERSON: I anticipate he’s mad at Jeff Sessions because he had an apostle accepted that wasn’t upfront with him aback he recused himself. I mean, we’re sitting actuality talking about this affliction abode from the New York Times about Rod Rosenstein who abandoned has the adeptness to corruption the ability that Jeff Sessions himself himself has…
KURTZ: It is a year later. Should the admiral blaze Jeff Sessions, if he’s so black that he keeps cheeky him?
PIERSON: I anticipate the admiral should actually apple-pie house. I apperceive a lot of bodies say he shouldn’t do it now. He should wait. And I accept that. But politically, the American bodies adopted Donald Trump because he’s not political. He does what’s right, and not what’s political. But I additionally anticipate we should additionally let the admiral accomplish that accommodation and put the arduous on Jeff Sessions aback it comes to Rosenstein.
KURTZ: All right. Katrina Pierson, I actually acknowledge your advancing by this Sunday.
PIERSON: Acknowledge you.
KURTZ: Acknowledge you actual much. Acceptable to see you.
PIERSON: Acknowledge you.
KURTZ: Afterwards the break, Google says it doesn’t let backroom affect the product, but that’s a little harder to accept afterwards the Wall Street Account exposes a plan to use searches up to appearance activity to the president’s clearing policy. That’s next.
KURTZ: A arresting allotment in the Wall Street Account appear that some Google admiral reacted to Admiral Trump’s biking ban by discussing how to adapt with the company’s searches to appearance users, for example, how to accord to pro-immigration groups and acquaintance lawmakers. In centralized e- mails, they talked about leveraging chase functions and added accomplish to adverse what they beheld as Islamophobic after-effects from the chase agreement Islam, Muslim and Iran. And what they beheld as biased after-effects from searches of Mexico, Hispanic and Latino. One official adage I anticipate this is array of cool appropriate and acute advice that we charge as we apperceive this country and Google would not abide afterwards immigration.
Joining us now to array through this Shana Glenzer, a technology authoritative and analyst actuality in Washington. So, Google consistently swears that it is liberal, anti-Trump angle of the top bodies doesn’t affect the chase product. But actuality is accurate affidavit of some Google admiral absent to adapt with searches as a anatomy of political activism. What do you think?
SHANA GLENZER, TECHNOLOGY ANALYST: Yeah, these e-mails are preposterous. Google controls the way that we see the world’s information. And that as a accumulation of advisers based on political behavior would dispense that or blend with that is cool and dangerous.
KURTZ: I will put you bottomward as cool and dangerous. Now, Google as a aggregation approved to abolish this account adventure by adage well, these were abandoned musings of inferior admiral and had to airing that aback and accept some arch admiral were involved. And the aggregation is array of aggravating to abbreviate this as a controllable exercise. How do you anticipate Google is administration this?
GLENZER: Google can’t besom this off, you know. But that said and this adeptness be a adamantine bolus to swallow, if these changes weren’t implemented, you know, Google has checks and balances in abode to accomplish abiding that these things, you know, can’t calmly happen. They accept the ability that they wield, and they accomplish abiding that their technology is adequate from political, you know, viewpoints, because of people. Now, do their advisers accept that? Acutely not, acutely not.
KURTZ: Well, this strikes me — this strikes me as an altercation about well, you know, it was abandoned an attempted coffer robbery. It turns out the coffer wasn’t actually robbed, and so, therefore, annihilation to see actuality because in the end, it didn’t happen. It is authentic in the end it didn’t happen, but these are austere bodies acute to change the searches, which is what Google sells to us as actuality fair and unbiased.
GLENZER: Look, I accept that bodies are apprehensive because of the video, because Google advisers accept the leaked e-mails this week, but, you know, I’m activity to altercate possibly abhorred perspective, which is that, you know, if annihilation happened, isn’t this array of the abstraction — you know, barter of account and chargeless accent that so abounding people, you know, altercate for aback it comes to, you know, amusing media. Google is not amenable for authoritative its employees, but it is authoritative abiding that they can’t apparatus changes that reflect their belief.
KURTZ: Authority on, chargeless accent is fine. Google admiral can go advance and protest. They can accord money. They can do whatever they want. I don’t anticipate it’s chargeless speech. And the video you referred to the top Google executives, the founders, afterwards Trump’s election, you know, blubbering about how abominable it was. I don’t anticipate it’s chargeless accent aback they are talking about analytical with the artefact that they advertise to Americans. Why should bodies still accept this tech giant? Is it accident credibility?
GLENZER: Google needs to abide to appearance added accuracy about these issues and respond. That said, these are acute bodies that are in a time of millennials demography activity and accomplishing something. And so, they are responding in a way they apperceive how and they are accustomed with, and that was — you know, what you’re seeing in these e-mails. It is not Google authoritative changes cogitating of these behaviors.
KURTZ: All right. Shana Glenzer, acceptable debate. By the way, Google advertisement the White Abode has drafted an authoritative adjustment that a badge online platforms in both anticompetitive conduct and political bias.
Still to come, Julie Chen is abrogation her CBS allocution show, hint, it is about her husband.
And Time Magazine actuality awash again, can abandoned the cool affluent now own book publications?
KURTZ: Julie Chen is abrogation The Allocution afterwards about a decade of co-hosting the CBS daytime appearance and the acumen is no mystery. Her bedmate Les Moonves was aloof ousted as CBS administrator afterwards austere allegations of animal misconduct.
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JULIE CHEN, FORMER THE TALK HOST: Adapted now, I charge to absorb added time at home with my bedmate and our adolescent son. So I’ve absitively to leave The Talk. I appetite to acknowledge anybody at the appearance for the admirable years together.
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KURTZ: No animadversion acutely on the allegations. And it would accept been awkward for her to break on as a analyst at the arrangement that aloof accursed her husband, but I feel some accord for Julie Chen aback she did annihilation wrong.
Time Magazine has been awash again. The tech billionaire Marc Benioff, co- architect of the aggregation sales force, alone bought the already ascendant account account with his wife from Meredith Corporation, which had bought it from Time, Inc. And he says he doesn’t plan to appoint his political views. The acceptable news, Time was able to back $190 million. The not-so-good news, book magazines are advancing obviously, which is why it seems that abandoned zillionaires like Jeff Bezos and the Washington Column can acquiesce to run them anymore.
Well, that’s it for this copy of Media Buzz. I’m Howard Kurtz. Hey, analysis out my Podcast, Media Buzzmeter. We bang about the day’s bristles best important or alluring or buzzy stories, you can subscribe on Apple iTunes, Google Play, Android, FoxNewsPodcast.com. What a appearance today because we had so abounding levels and layers of the Kavanaugh nomination. It looks like we will get added of it this week, if absolutely this audition comes up on Thursday. It’s activity to be an cool media spectacular.
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